No Limit Poker, Re-Raise after an All-in Bet?

[SmartA]

Okay, here's the hypothetical situation. No limit Texas hold em.



After the flop, player 1 bets 200. Since the minimum raise is the previous bet/raise amount, that means that if another player wants to raise the pot, he has to raise to at least 400 (increasing it at least 200).



But player 2 has only 250 in chips, so he can't make the minimum raise. He goes all in for 250.



Lets say player 3 and player 4 call the 250, all other players fold. Betting action is back on player 1. He can fold or call the extra 50 to bring his total bet up to 250. But the question is, can he re-raise again (forcing players 3 & 4 to call another bet into a side pot)??



Since the only raise behind him was less than the minimum raise amount, I've read that he can't re-raise the pot at this point, he can only call or fold. Of course I know he can bet or raise on the next round after the turn card.

Nope he can't raise again, or nope that's not a rule.

[HighHarry060]

nope

[TheLured948]

I'm not too sure what you are asking. I think you are asking if someone can raise or call the 50 to get the others to fold.

If they called, then the betting could go to the next round.
If they raise, another round of betting(with the same cards) would begin so that the others would have to call or fold.

Normally there is a limit of 3 raises for a round.

[CB092]

The rule is that if the all in is less then half the minimum raise it is not considered a raise and can not be raised by the initial raiser. The rule is in place because there are no other aggressors in the pot and it would not be fair to allow player A to essentially raise twice when no one else is raising the pot.

As i'm sure you've witnessed (thus the question) a lot of people don't realize this rule is in place and will try and raise in that situation.

If he had gone all in for more then half of the bet the raise would be allowed but it would still need to be min raise amount. If A bet 200, B raised all in 350, C called 350, then player A could re-raise to a minimum of 550 (350 + 200).

[private937]

He can only complete the bet, which means make it 400.
If the all in bet is at least 1/2 the of the original bet amount (200), he would be able to re-raise. It was only 50 more, it would need to be at least 100 more. So if his all in was for 300, he would be able to re-raise.

[LegFuJohnson962]

No, player 1 cannot re-raise in this example.

[andreb]

Nope he can't raise again, so u are right. If there was t a side bet with a friend about this rule, ur rigth
more details:

If a player goes all in with a bet or raise rather than a call, another special rule comes into play. There are two options in common use: pot-limit and no-limit games usually use what is called the full bet rule, while fixed-limit and spread-limit games may use either the full bet rule or the half bet rule. The full bet rule states that if the amount of an all-in bet is less than the minimum bet, or if the amount of an all-in raise is less than the full amount of the previous raise, it does not constitute a "real" raise, and therefore does not reopen the betting action. The half bet rule states that if an all-in bet or raise is equal to or larger than half the minimum amount, it does constitute a raise and reopens the action.

For example, with the full bet rule in effect, a player opens the betting round for $20, and the next player has a total stake of $30. He may raise to $30, declaring himself all in, but this does not constitute a "real" raise, in the following sense: if a third player now calls the $30, and the first player's turn to act comes up, he may now call the additional $10, but he does not have the right to re-raise further. The all-in player's pseudo-raise was really just a call with some extra money, and the third player's call was just a call, so the initial opener's bet was simply called by both remaining players, closing the betting round (even though he must still equalize the money by putting in the additional $10). If the half bet rule were being used, then that raise would count as a genuine raise and the first player would be entitled to re-raise if he chose to (creating a side pot for the amount of his re-raise and the third player's call, if any).

In a game with a half bet rule, a player may complete an incomplete raise, if that player still has the right to raise (in other words, if that player has not yet acted in the betting round, or has not yet acted since the last full bet or raise). The act of completing a bet or raise reopens the betting to other remaining opponents.

For example, four players are in a hand, playing with a limit betting structure and a half bet rule. The current betting round is $20. Alice checks, and Bob checks. Carol goes all-in for $5. David, still to act, has the following options: fold, call $5, or complete the bet to a total of $20. If David calls the $5, Alice and Bob only have the option of calling or folding; neither can raise. But if David completes, either of them could raise.

[MysteryMind786]

Good question, he can raise again because by going all in he put all his chips in, so his not required to bet chip he doesn't have, so other players can keep raising since he's already bet all they chips, so it is not a rule, it's absolutely legitimate to do so.

Nice question.

Edit: I didn't fully understand the question, I thought it was a raise after the turn. I did not know that, some of the answers there explain it pretty clear

Thanks, I learned something valuable in poker today ^^

[Ronin262]

he cant raise again because it did not count as a raise (the all in) so it ended the action unless player 3 or 4 raised after him which would count as a raise letting player 1 raise if he wanted.